Face coverings in England
Minister encourages mask use but says need not be compulsory
True the diseases if necessary then and if tough measures required as we see in Leicester was a very different situation than tough measures will be taken but on the whole amount money view is that it's always better to trust people's common sense to give them a clear sense of what is wise and I think the individuals and businesses are responding well to that lead.
So that was Michael gave talking L. issue and your mom what I've been talking to professor Melinda mills is a sociologist at university of Oxford Irish ripple for the role of society on the behavior and evidence surrounding face cover.
You but most importantly if you're wearing the right kind of mastered it protects others so you know it it's very clear in and when we hear this sort of fact comments today that that it should be made mandatory but we might encourage it we saw for the first time Boris Johnson wearing a facemask on Monday and Donald Trump is now wearing one I mean this is really confusing to the public you know so so what our study showed is that you really have to have really clear policy mandates even in some countries they've introduced fines or record you know when and if you have the sort of vague recommendations it's not helpful people need to know what to wear so it's not they're not competing with PPD or surgical facemask it's really high fabric you know good quality multi layer masks they need to know you know when do I wear it and where do I wear it so most advice most country said she should wear in close spaces or you know sort of crowded spaces not when you're out walking in you can keep so.
How to wear it and they also we also have to understand you who cannot wear it to people with disabilities are children and and you have that clip from that Michael gave that thing happen cabinet minister little anyone today saying he doesn't think they should be compulsory in shops in England and it's up to people to use their common sense.
Yeah but people need to understand you know this report that we wrote for the British Academy in rural society is just really clear I think the most important thing is that what we found in the behavioral packed factors is that people have to understand how the virus works and how mass protect them that's the most important thing that we have to understand and think about Japan for example you know they have this 3 sis so avoid close spaces avoid crowded places avoid close contact settings they've had 982 deaths in the population of 126000000 we have to learn from sars and other places do you know that have experience and and what we know.
Are you on the Asian countries are wearing face masks and they have these really lower deaths but it's just a package it's not just face masks its hand hygiene you know it's social distancing and they're all together in in the government just has not been clear they said there isn't evidence date things that had very conflicting policy reckoned implementations here we here you know it's not mandatory businesses also need to know in many countries you come into a shop in an enclosed space you put a mask on and then it's clear and then everybody knows what to do so we just need some clarity and we need everyone to hold the same line and actually do with the rest of the world has already been doing for a few months we say the government hasn't been clear but but in the sense half the scientists being fair because I I've listened to some of those Downing Street briefings a few weeks ago when the scientists in Downing Street was saying the evidence about face coverings is weak it's not clear that they actually help.
Yeah that's a really good point so not only has there been policy confusion even though it you know even the World Health Organization is changed its opinion from April to June but also there's been a lot of confusion around scientific evidence and your we discuss that in detail in the report in the main reason is a reliance on you know strict randomized controlled medical trials so thinking that those were the only kind of evidence that would be useful to look at for face masks face masks are ex or coverings that were wearing it's not appeals so it's not something that we can you know effectively use a randomized control trial for in the in the general public so you know we look broader at behavioral studies and observational studies and then once you look at that the evidence is really clear if you look at the lessons learned from the Spanish flu right through from sars you actually see it's like it's it's it's you know pandemic 101 a face mask is 1 of the lessons learned so you know it's time to catch up and and learn lessons from previous pandemics as well.
Introduced fines or record you know when and if you have the sort of vague recommendations it's not helpful people need to know what to wear so it's not they're not competing with PPD or surgical facemask it's really high fabric you know good quality multi layer masks they need to know you know when do I wear it and where do I wear it so most advice most country says you should wear in close spaces or you know sort of crowded spaces not when you're out walking and you can keep social distancing but they also have to know how to wear it and they also we also have to understand.
Health risk is still that now on Friday Boris Johnson said that he thought the scientific opinion seem to be moving we would have to be stricter on wearing masa face coverings in including spaces like shops and also you fall England hasn't made the compulsorily Scotland has it wells it so he recommended again not compulsory but we understand the government has been considering making it mandatory in England as well but there have been some mixed messages in a way I mean off to.
Is that the government was considering this today senior cabinet minister Michael gross as well in his view although it's considerate to wear a mosque in somewhere like a shop he thought he thought it should be trusted to people's common sense not necessarily ritual which is language we have in the prime minister full and the prime minister let Michael gave something of a terrible on these things as well if it were to treat to a mosque who who please stop that that is a very a very big question hit out pops in in some people would say I mean labour's backing the idea about she and Rachel Reeves from labor was saying stay she thought it might get a boost confidence basically get people shopping again but the British retail consortium has been saying well the thing is a retailers need notice and also they need to either be a system for enforcing this that didn't mean you know the shop workers had to do it would put them in a very difficult position of having to enforce the government's rules so it's saying you would need a system that would make that easier and this would only apply to endorse no doubt.